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Post by jkdummler on Feb 15, 2011 19:17:09 GMT -5
Anyone done designs for Star Trek type fleets yet?
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Post by toaster on Feb 16, 2011 1:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by jkdummler on Feb 16, 2011 15:06:11 GMT -5
Pretty cool. There's a link there too that goes to another thread regarding another Star Trek battle. Thanks.
From the 2nd link, there's a ship listing for the USS Excalibur, an "Enterprise" class cruiser (assuming old FASA names, that makes it the movie Enterprise class from movies 1-VI).
The ship sheet lists the Enterprise class as a Battlecruiser.
So starting there, that makes ships what?
Excelsior = Battleship Constitution (Old series Enterprise) = Heavy Cruiser? Miranda/Reliant = Heavy Cruiser or Light Cruiser? Andor class Missile cruiser = ?? Chandley Frigate = ?? Larsen class Destroyer = Destroyer
I'm going to try doing Federation ships first, then I'll move on to Klingons and other races. Been dying to use my Trek ships with some rules that make sense for a long time!
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Post by fastgit on Feb 16, 2011 19:27:24 GMT -5
The ship sheet lists the Enterprise class as a Battlecruiser. So starting there, that makes ships what? Excelsior = Battleship Constitution (Old series Enterprise) = Heavy Cruiser? Miranda/Reliant = Heavy Cruiser or Light Cruiser? Andor class Missile cruiser = ?? Chandley Frigate = ?? Larsen class Destroyer = Destroyer The ST universe is pretty wonky... it uses familiar nomenclature, just not in a really consistent fashion. TOS Constellation/Constitution was considered to be a "Cruiser," while its refit was a "Heavy Cruiser." I think the Klingons even referred to it as a "Battlecruiser" in one of the movies. I'm most comfortable with the CA designation, considering the character of the 5-year mission of the original. Although capable, they weren't warships per se. The Reliant/Miranda-class have been described as "Cruisers" and/or "Light Cruisers" depending upon the source. They were a little smaller than the Connies. I'd probably make them and the Andor-class vessels big CLs, or small CAs. I'm not familiar with the Chandley or Larsen-classes... but would probably consider them both DDs. I like the Excelsior as a BC or small BB. Half again as long as the Enterprise (ST:TMP), she was pretty bad-ass, but not the toughest kid on the block.
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Post by warchariot on Feb 16, 2011 23:52:58 GMT -5
dread likes to make the main ship from a show, ie Enterprise, a battle worthy ship. After all, it does take a pounding on it's five year mission. So, even if it is called a cruiser, it is still a fairly large mass cruiser.
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Post by TheDreadnought on Feb 17, 2011 10:16:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I consider the original Enterprise (TOS) to be a large heavy cruiser.
Post refit (movie era) she gets upgraded to a battlecruiser. Excelsior is a BB, while Reliant is a heavy cruiser contemporary with the Enterprise refit.
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Post by fastgit on Feb 17, 2011 11:29:00 GMT -5
I can't argue with that logic. It's just another example of a strange interface between a show's classification system and the mechanics of CB. B-5 will have it ("destroyers" as the largest class of vessel), and so will SW... if to a lesser extent.
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Post by daniel on Feb 17, 2011 11:57:29 GMT -5
All that really matters is a strong Cardassia...
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Post by warchariot on Feb 17, 2011 18:21:20 GMT -5
All that really matters is a strong Cardassia... And godd dice...
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Post by robertthedamned on Feb 18, 2011 18:49:08 GMT -5
I've done a few star trek designs but based more on TNG and DS9 (more variety in fleets IMHO). Only done the Excelsior for 1/3900 scale: LinkBut for TMP in CB terms I'd say: Excelsior = BB Constitution Refit = BC Miranda/Reliant = CL Oberth = DD Saladin Refit (or Akula Class) = DD Andor class = CL/CA Chandley Frigate = CA Larsen class Destroyer = DD or CL What I like to do is just line up the models in what I think is size order and try and make the ships hull sizes fit the same order.
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Post by warchariot on Feb 19, 2011 19:27:54 GMT -5
What I like to do is just line up the models in what I think is size order and try and make the ships hull sizes fit the same order. Yeah, and who could say you were wrong? This is what I did with MvM in a lot of cases, after all there were only a few war ships shown from each side.
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Post by talkos on Feb 20, 2011 4:19:04 GMT -5
Yeah for the designs behind the battle report up there I started with the Enterprise as a Battlecruiser, then worked up and down from there, with the Miranda one step below as a CA. The Bird of Preys I found had a 90 ton sweet spot and a 123 ton sweet spot for having the right weapon mix to align with their design.
And if anyone wants the ship stats I did for that battle just let me know and I'll send them over, but otherwise I'm waiting for the fleet book and all the neato modifications to come out(cough, cough, hint hint, lol) before I try to do more.
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Post by fastgit on Feb 20, 2011 7:57:44 GMT -5
I'd love to see them. PM or post?
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Post by coldsteel on Feb 20, 2011 9:28:48 GMT -5
I would like to see them too!
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Post by jkdummler on Feb 20, 2011 10:32:31 GMT -5
I'll add to the requests.... I'd love to see the ship designs too.
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Post by talkos on Feb 20, 2011 14:05:03 GMT -5
Alright, with any luck it should all be in the attachment. There a a few variants that I made for each class as I was trying to get the feel right, the ones used in the battle report were the Constitution Flagship variant, and the Soyuz for the Feds, and the D7 and BOP(Bird of Prey) Interim. Attachments:
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Post by warchariot on Feb 20, 2011 14:43:26 GMT -5
Thanks for posting these!
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Post by jkdummler on Feb 20, 2011 18:15:31 GMT -5
Thank you very much.
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Post by daniel on Mar 4, 2011 14:51:16 GMT -5
Here's a bump to revive the thread and collect some thoughts. Since Trek research has been thoroughly done I'm wondering about tapping into those lines for translation into ship sheets. For example, we have the Daystrom Institute website here: www.ditl.org/If we click Fleets (top of page), Cardassians (Left column), and Galor we see plenty of well researched ship info. We can take the estimated mass of 1,687,00010 metric tons, divide by half then again by ten, and arrive at 84 or 85 hull points. Taking the Standard shield system, total capacity 729,000 TeraJoules and dividing the strewngth by 1000 gives us 73 shield points to divvy up for, say 15, 15, 15, 10, 10, 8. And so on. Thoughts?
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Post by robertthedamned on Mar 4, 2011 16:48:57 GMT -5
Its an idea, I don't really make much of the Daystrom Institute and similar sites, its just fan fiction or derived from information that has been written after the shows to fill in books. Of course these sites are based off of what's on screen too but its one person's interpretation of what they've seen and often I disagree with what's written, neither is right neither is wrong, they're just different interpretations.
Its rare to find two Star Trek fans that can even agree on the size of the Klingon Bird of Prey let alone comparative shield strengths of ships, especially as most ships abilities would fluctuate wildly depending on who wrote the episode.
In short yeah go for it if you want to use that guy's interpretation of the Star Trek universe, but what he thinks is right isn't any more valid than you're own judgement.
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