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Post by mannya on Apr 17, 2016 18:19:19 GMT -5
I am an experienced gamer but new to Naval Thunder. I'm trying to become proficient enough with the rules to teach them to a couple of other gamers. I have a few questions about movement and night battles if anyone can help.
1) When a ship which is part of a formation suffers a rudder hit, does it drop out of the formation?
2) In some of the historical scenarios, smaller ship types are set up in front of larger ship types in a line of column. (ex: US setup in Cape Esperance or the IJN Bombardment group in 2nd Guadalcanal) This seems to be at odds with the sequence of play with smaller ships moving before larger ships. How do players handle this?
3) When using the night battles optional rules does a ship that fires its guns in an earlier step become visible (i.e. muzzle flashes) to ships that fire in a later steps?
4) US ships which have RDR fire control in a scenario with the unreliable radar rule have to pass a command check (generally a d10 roll of 8, or 10 for the flagship) to gain the benefits. Is this correct?
Thanks for any help
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tomster
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Post by tomster on Apr 18, 2016 3:53:52 GMT -5
1) When a ship which is part of a formation suffers a rudder hit, does it drop out of the formation? 2) In some of the historical scenarios, smaller ship types are set up in front of larger ship types in a line of column. (ex: US setup in Cape Esperance or the IJN Bombardment group in 2nd Guadalcanal) This seems to be at odds with the sequence of play with smaller ships moving before larger ships. How do players handle this? 3) When using the night battles optional rules does a ship that fires its guns in an earlier step become visible (i.e. muzzle flashes) to ships that fire in a later steps? 4) US ships which have RDR fire control in a scenario with the unreliable radar rule have to pass a command check (generally a d10 roll of 8, or 10 for the flagship) to gain the benefits. Is this correct? Thanks for any help I am only new myself but checking the rules suggests.... 1. As the ship with rudder damage no longer can move as part of the formation it must leave. 2. Setting up first is because the screening ships are spotted earlier. The movement sequence reflects the speed and manoeuvrability of smaller ships - thereby giving them an advantage by moving later. Two different things. 3. Muzzle flashes do not make a ship "visible" per the night fighting rules. This does not necessarily reflect what happened historically,eg Savo Island 4. Unreliable radar requires a command check as you note. In formations a successful command check uses the flagships command rating. Cheers, Tom
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kylek
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Post by kylek on Apr 18, 2016 7:59:20 GMT -5
Regarding question #4, "4. Unreliable radar requires a command check as you note. In formations a successful command check uses the flagships command rating."
If a ship is in a formation I don't believe you use the formation flagship command rating for Unreliable Radar checks. Each ship uses it's own rating.
Kyle
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Post by mannya on Apr 18, 2016 9:18:32 GMT -5
Getting back to question #2;
The 4 US cruisers in Cape Esperance are set up in a line 2 inches behind a line of 3 destroyers. I guess the very first move for the US cruisers would be to change course in order to avoid colliding with the destroyers in front of them.
At first I thought that this might be somewhat problematic but according to "The U.S. Navy Against the Axis: Surface Combat 1941-1945" by Vincent P. O'Hara something like this actually happened at Cape Esperance. On page 89 the author relates how the lead US cruiser, San Francisco turned before it was supposed to and the other cruisers followed which then threw the US line of battle out of whack. This maneuver is also discussed in the Mark Stille Osprey book on the Guadalcanal naval battles as well.
As for question #4;
I prefer that each ship would have to pass its own command check for radar as using the flag ship would make it too easy to detect the enemy at the start of an engagement (i.e. before there would be any negative drm to the command check). The more I read about the surface engagements around Guadalcanal the more I'm finding that radar was often not as effective as Japanese lookouts in terms of early detection.
Thanks again for the replies.
Manny
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