Tonnage Relative to Size

[fastgit]

Has anyone come up with a rough estimate of in-game tonnage as it relates to the size of miniatures? I know that isn't as easy of a question to answer as I'd like (different scale of minis, etc.)...

I'm specifically interested in "guestimations" concerning the new style FSE & NSL miniatures, the range of Homeworldesque miniatures from Zandris IV, and the work of Charles Oines.

Any ideas?


Thanks.

[admiralgrafspee]

I'd try to do it based on the available minis for the range you are using. With GZG stuff you know the super dreads are on the upper end of your size 5 BBs and the frigates or corvettes (depending on how small you want to go) will be the smallest of the size 1's.

Its difficult to put an absolute rule based on mini sizes, since ranges can vary considerably between one another - and some ranges (like the Star Wars ships from Wizards) throw scale right out the window!

[warchariot]

Oct 23, 2010 16:35:19 GMT -5 admiralgrafspee said:

I'd try to do it based on the available minis for the range you are using. With GZG stuff you know the super dreads are on the upper end of your size 5 BBs and the frigates or corvettes (depending on how small you want to go) will be the smallest of the size 1's.

Its difficult to put an absolute rule based on mini sizes, since ranges can vary considerably between one another - and some ranges (like the Star Wars ships from Wizards) throw scale right out the window!

This is exactly what we have done. You could base it on type by setting upper/lower limits for a type of ship. Dread has already done this to point. However for FT ships you would need sub scales within each type.

[sertorius]

Dont have my rules with me but dont they state that tonnage available for weapons etc is not relative to size of ship due to different designs or something similar?

[warchariot]

Oct 24, 2010 4:40:31 GMT -5 sertorius said:

Dont have my rules with me but dont they state that tonnage available for weapons etc is not relative to size of ship due to different designs or something similar?

Not sure which rules you mean? CB does have limits based on size/type of ship. Some weapons are only available to larger ships.

For FT, I don't remember as it has been awhile since I played with that set of rules, and I'm not planning to go back!

[sertorius]

p87 under tonnage and hull points it is specificaly states that the tonnage of the hull is not related to the tonnage available for weapons. This makes lengths of ships a little bit irrelevant.

That being said I will be using my FT heavy crusers as the biggest heavy crusers with attack criusrs as smaller heavy cruisers. Light crusers will be represented by light cruisers and heavy destroyers. destroyers will be represented by destroyers and smaller classes for the small destroyers. Battle crusers and battleships will keep thier designation. I have no dreadnaughts but if I get some, the battleships will slip down to represent big battlecruisers

[admiralgrafspee]

Oct 24, 2010 15:24:03 GMT -5 sertorius said:

That being said I will be using my FT heavy crusers as the biggest heavy crusers with attack criusrs as smaller heavy cruisers. Light crusers will be represented by light cruisers and heavy destroyers. destroyers will be represented by destroyers and smaller classes for the small destroyers. Battle crusers and battleships will keep thier designation. I have no dreadnaughts but if I get some, the battleships will slip down to represent big battlecruisers

Good plan! If you look at the Appendix I construction table, you will see some fairly obvious division lines.

DD's are all size 1, but have max armour split between 2 and 3 (tonnage 40-58 and 63 to 84 respectively).
CL's are all size 2, but have max armour split between 3 and 4 (tonnage 90-116 and 123-152 respectively).

So both of these classes already have some guidance as to how to differentiate tonnage wise between the larger and smaller in the same group.

CA's are where it starts getting really interesting. There are a total of 2 hull sizes (2 and 3) as well as 3 maximum armours (4-6). This gives 4 ranges:

160-194 (size 2 max arm 4)
203-240 (size 2 max arm 5)
250-292 (size 3 max arm 5)
303-348 (size 3 max arm 6)

The same trend follows on for BC's and BB's (4 ranges each). So really, the game easily handles 16 different sizes of ships - with minor variations in tonnage within one of those for different fit outs.

I was thinking for GZG models that the ones on the larger metal stands would be the Size 5 ships. Heavy BB could be a size class 4 BB, and the regular BB could be a size class 4 BC and so on...

[fastgit]

Oct 24, 2010 16:19:23 GMT -5 admiralgrafspee said:

Oct 24, 2010 15:24:03 GMT -5 sertorius said:

That being said I will be using my FT heavy crusers as the biggest heavy crusers with attack criusrs as smaller heavy cruisers. Light crusers will be represented by light cruisers and heavy destroyers. destroyers will be represented by destroyers and smaller classes for the small destroyers. Battle crusers and battleships will keep thier designation. I have no dreadnaughts but if I get some, the battleships will slip down to represent big battlecruisers

Good plan! If you look at the Appendix I construction table, you will see some fairly obvious division lines.

DD's are all size 1, but have max armour split between 2 and 3 (tonnage 40-58 and 63 to 84 respectively).
CL's are all size 2, but have max armour split between 3 and 4 (tonnage 90-116 and 123-152 respectively).

So both of these classes already have some guidance as to how to differentiate tonnage wise between the larger and smaller in the same group.

CA's are where it starts getting really interesting. There are a total of 2 hull sizes (2 and 3) as well as 3 maximum armours (4-6). This gives 4 ranges:

160-194 (size 2 max arm 4)
203-240 (size 2 max arm 5)
250-292 (size 3 max arm 5)
303-348 (size 3 max arm 6)

The same trend follows on for BC's and BB's (4 ranges each). So really, the game easily handles 16 different sizes of ships - with minor variations in tonnage within one of those for different fit outs.

I was thinking for GZG models that the ones on the larger metal stands would be the Size 5 ships. Heavy BB could be a size class 4 BB, and the regular BB could be a size class 4 BC and so on...

Thanks! That's what I had in mind.

[TheDreadnought]

There had also been some discussion on a previous thread that some classifications of GZG ships, really corresponded more to role, than directly to ship size.