jdon
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Post by jdon on Feb 7, 2011 18:31:18 GMT -5
I just noticed that in the Battleship Row card printing tool, the New York, Wyoming, Bagley, Clemson, and Gleaves classes don't show up in the catalogue, even though they seem to be in the database, where they're highlighted in yellow. How can I "unlock" them?
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Post by warchariot on Feb 7, 2011 18:40:25 GMT -5
I believe this is because stats have not been added...right? See Shipyard topic for suggested stats for most of these ships.
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jdon
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Post by jdon on Feb 7, 2011 19:37:13 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, the stats are in there. I'm no Excel wiz, but if you "unhide" the data, it all seems to be there. However, as I said, they don't show up in the catalogue list.
Also, those classes are included in the .pdf of ship cards, so the stats are readily at hand. Nonetheless, I'm curious why they've been disabled (apparently) in the printing tool.
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Post by warchariot on Feb 7, 2011 23:08:29 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, the stats are in there. I'm no Excel wiz, but if you "unhide" the data, it all seems to be there. However, as I said, they don't show up in the catalogue list. Also, those classes are included in the .pdf of ship cards, so the stats are readily at hand. Nonetheless, I'm curious why they've been disabled (apparently) in the printing tool.  ??, I didn't look, just guessing. If they are there, then why are they being redone in the shipyard? Or are those a different era? I only know of one BB Wyoming. |
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Post by afilter on Feb 7, 2011 23:13:22 GMT -5
I will have to double check....I did the ones in the shipyard because I did not see them in the database I have. Was there an Update?
Wyoming would not belong in BR anyway as she was demiliterized in 1931 as a result of the London Naval treaty.
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jdon
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Post by jdon on Feb 8, 2011 0:07:38 GMT -5
Here's how I found the data: right click on the USN SSD or Catalog tab, select "Unhide" and then "Data". The Data tab will then appear, and if you scroll down it, you should see the classes I mentioned highlighted in yellow.
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Post by regiamarina on Feb 8, 2011 0:55:33 GMT -5
They don't appear in the excel database but they are in the pdf data cards. Unless these are different vessels, possibly older models to the ones done in the forum? I assumed they were different ones to the ones on the pdf data cards. I'm not all that familiar with US battleships, cruisers are far more common in Pacific battles.  Possibly different ships being talked about because the info I have says Wyoming was turned into a training ship in 1931, Arkansas as well, but they both served in WW2. Arkansas was refitted and served as a shore bombardment ship and Wyoming continued as a training ship. The Wyoming data card probably reflects the refitted shore bombardment model whereas Afilter's data card may reflect the ship in the 1930s for Plan Orange type scenarios. |
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Post by afilter on Feb 8, 2011 7:55:21 GMT -5
Here's how I found the data: right click on the USN SSD or Catalog tab, select "Unhide" and then "Data". The Data tab will then appear, and if you scroll down it, you should see the classes I mentioned highlighted in yellow. Learn something new every day....not sure why they are not there. I did mine because I did not think they existed yet. Maybe Harry was not ready to do them or it was an oversight when BR was released. As for Arkansas my refernces show she continued to serve as a BB up to and through WWII albeit in a support role. Where as Wyoming was demilatirized and had her main armament removed to serve only as a gunnery training ship after 1931. This is why I added Arkansas to the shipyard for BR and not Wyoming as we have both in CoD and they would work for a what if interwar year scenario. I guess if I were playing interwar year "What if" scenarios I would probably stick to CoD stats as Radar and aircraft really came into being during the late 1930s and one would really have to look at aircraft availabiltity dates and such. IMO, NT just plays better as a straight up gun fight anyway so most scenarios I would do would probably not include much air power prior to 1940 anyway. |
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Post by regiamarina on Feb 8, 2011 8:07:49 GMT -5
So the Arkansas you did was the same as the one in the pdf datasheet book? The late war shore bombardment ship? Comparing them you weren't a million miles away so it seems like you are on the right track with ship creation.
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Post by afilter on Feb 8, 2011 9:21:56 GMT -5
So the Arkansas you did was the same as the one in the pdf datasheet book? The late war shore bombardment ship? Comparing them you weren't a million miles away so it seems like you are on the right track with ship creation. Correct, I have not compared them yet to see how close I was....I never thought to check the PDF as I made the assumption that the PDF and database would be the same and was just a preference issue as to which one to use. Personally I like using the excel data base, but is is good to know that the "official" stats are out there on some of these ships. |
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Post by afilter on Feb 8, 2011 11:37:55 GMT -5
Hmmm.....this also brings up an interesting point...How many other ships are in the PDFs and not the card Printing tool.
I have only used the card printing tool and love it as a result that is what I based the shipyard entries on.
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Post by TheDreadnought on Feb 8, 2011 17:38:45 GMT -5
The pdfs are the official version. The card printing tool was done by a 3rd party volunteer, and has only been spot checked. That said, sometimes the tool has been updated w eratta before the pdfs because it is easier to update. However Ken seems to have been busy as of late. But then so have we all.  |
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Post by afilter on Feb 8, 2011 17:42:31 GMT -5
The pdfs are the official version. The card printing tool was done by a 3rd party volunteer, and has only been spot checked. That said, sometimes the tool has been updated w eratta before the pdfs because it is easier to update. However Ken seems to have been busy as of late. But then so have we all. OK, so if I have this straight PDFs trump card printing tool, but there may be more ships on the card printing tool as it has been updated. If in doubt default to what is on the PDF. Makes sense. Thanks, |
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??, I didn't look, just guessing. If they are there, then why are they being redone in the shipyard? Or are those a different era? I only know of one BB Wyoming.
