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Post by shellback on Feb 21, 2012 0:50:31 GMT -5
Ahoy all,
This past weekend there was a game convention in the San Francisco bay area called Dundra Con of which I attended for my normal Flames of War tournament. In the down time, there were some guys playing a pick up game of NT-CoD with 1/3000 ships.
As a fan of historical games over other miniature styles, I stopped in to sample the game, as I have played other naval games, but typically in counter form (Victory at Sea, and Harpoon spring to mind..)
Long story short, you have a new convert.
While I'm not a fan of the pre-dreadnought era, thus the game group I played with will probably miss out. I wanted to pop in, register and start chatting with the NT-WW2 crowd.
As we speak I have picked up the bundle, am printing the rules now, and placed an order with GHQ for 1/2400 to play the Denmark Strait, and River Plate encounters.
As a fan of the pacific war, and the early struggles of the Allies to hold the Japanese advances. I feel the few British ships picked up, will form the core of an ABDA force to counter Japan.
Now if I can just hide the UPS boxes from the wife until after the ships are painted, and say "what those? I have had them for a while... really"
Next convention is late May - called Kubla con, hopefully I can get a Java sea campaign force ordered, painted, and ready for the table.
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Post by regiamarina on Feb 21, 2012 2:04:16 GMT -5
Welcome Aboard,
I can highly recommend starting with the River Plate and Denmark Straits scenarios for a beginner learning the game. There are relatively few ships involved so these are good scenarios with which to learn the rules.
There are plenty of WW2 players here with great advice on the early pacific battles and the ABDA forces. Ask any questions and someone should be able to point you in the right direction.
You'll find most of the Dutch ships for the ABDA forces in the shipyard section as there are no official ships as yet. You'll also find a good selection of recently done French ships post US-refit which served in the Pacific and Indian Oceans so may interest you.
Happy Sailing
Martin
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Post by fluorophil on Feb 21, 2012 4:35:05 GMT -5
Welcome shellback - I hope that this was a line crossing that you have enjoyed! I don't that you will regret it!  Always good to see another WWII player...not like the space cadets in the other part of the forum...  |
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Post by TheDreadnought on Feb 21, 2012 10:41:57 GMT -5
Welcome! Its good to have some more WWII in the house!
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Post by warchariot on Feb 21, 2012 18:35:00 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, we'll get you to try Pre-Dreads before long!
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Post by shellback on Feb 21, 2012 23:35:14 GMT -5
Welcome shellback - I hope that this was a line crossing that you have enjoyed! I don't that you will regret it! Ah yes, you found my secret. I crossed over to King Neptune's belly aboard the USS Iwo Jima ( LPH-2 ) in 88, then became a Golden Shellback ( Equator, and dateline ) onboard the USS Peleliu ( LHA-5 ) in '91 ( Don't tell my wife how old I am ) And thanks to the others for the warm welcome. I have looked over the Shipyard section, and still feel an ABDA-force is viable, as the only 2 warships needing fleshing out are HNLMS De Ruyter, and HMLMS Java as HMAS Perth could be used with HMS stats. That being said, a US, Japan force may play better at the con. Today I placed an order for some Litko game accessories. Torp markers, listing, flooding, bridge hit, rudder, and a few others. Lastly ( and this may go better in modeling ) I am deciding on bases. At the con, the 1/300 were unbased, but I felt it wasn't as suitable for playing a wargame in this matter. I have seen forum posts on plexi bases, but don't really like the clear base look. So I think a ( currently ) a wood base, with model putty to replicate waves, painted as ocean, and coated may be my solution. My question to the community is how do you feel the look vs playability of based, vs un-based, and clear plexi vs painted as ocean "look" is... |
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Post by TheDreadnought on Feb 22, 2012 9:20:16 GMT -5
I prefer based with painted ocean effects. I think the clear bases (sometimes) reflect too much light.
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Post by bubbacleese on Feb 22, 2012 10:57:19 GMT -5
Just how long are 1/3000 ships. I'm asking purely for business opportunity. My period is Age of Sail but I do sell wooden bases. They measure 3.5" in length, are 1" wide and have 45 degree beveled sides for name plates. If 3.5" in length is too short I can cut to whatever length you need. You can see examples of the bases at www.portsmouthminiatures.com and follow the link to Ships for Sale. |
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Post by shellback on Feb 22, 2012 20:04:15 GMT -5
Those actually look like they may work Bubbacleese. Based on my current order with GHQ the HMS Hood is the largest ship. Thinking ahead it's measurements should work for the other large ships I plan on picking up, as Hood was 860 x 104, Saratoga was 888 x 107, and the Yamato was 839 x 127.
As far as the 1/3000 question, I can answer that on the 25th. That group is playing again at a local game store, and I can attend, and measure a few ships.
So once my order arrives, I can see how big the Hood is, and let you know.
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Post by regiamarina on Feb 22, 2012 20:40:26 GMT -5
My group plays with all based ships. The bases can be labeled for easy recognition and picking them up and manouvering them is much easier with the base. We use clear plexi as a personal preference. To be honest both based and unbased are perfectly playable and both clear plexi versus painted give a good look so in the end it will really come down to how you want your fleets to look.
I can say from my ships 3.5" will be too small for larger capital ships. We have based all our ships on 1" x 3" for destroyers and light cruisers and 1" x 4" for the rest with particularly large ships such as Yamato, Richilieu, Littorio, etc. on 1" x 5". My GHQ Kongos, as an example for you, would not fit on a 3.5" base but fit easily on a 4". Measuring the Hood it does not fit on a 3.5" base and would just overhang a 4" so I based mine on a 5". Hope this helps give you a rough guide.
Martin
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Post by mpc2163 on Feb 22, 2012 21:18:18 GMT -5
Welcome aboard. I'm going to be out in California later this week and will be near San Francisco over the weekend. Where is the gaming store you guys will be playing at? I doubt I'll be able to get there Saturday, but if they have 1/3000 scale stuff for sale I'd totally check it out. I'm on a first name basis with pretty much every seller in that scale in the Midwest. Actually, I think I'm also the only buyer of that scale in the Midwest...
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Post by bubbacleese on Feb 23, 2012 11:37:31 GMT -5
If you decide on my bases just shoot me an email if you want bases longer than 3.5" and I'll cut whatever length is needed. Easy as pie. My stock is eight feet in length so I've got you covered no matter what size ship you need! The only thing I would request is that you post pictures after you get your ships mounted and all painted up.  |
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Post by ckosacranoid on Feb 25, 2012 1:12:30 GMT -5
well abourd and good luck getting things done up for gaming. i myself am a predread fan and in the wotrking up this week of putting together 3 fleets of 1/1000 sclae ships for german, usa, spain and a couple of extra jap ships.
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Post by shellback on Feb 28, 2012 20:57:33 GMT -5
Greetings again. I did not vanish, but work just had kept me a little busy. Thankfully upon my return home today there was a small box awaiting from GHQ. < /insert happy dance here > Now what to do with all that new shiny regiamarina: Thanks for the ideas on base sizes. First thing I did was bust out a tape measure, and look over all my ships. Seeing as the movement steps are broken down into 3 'sub-phases' based on size class, I am currently leaning on that as a thought for ship bases. This will allow new players to grasp more easily when they can move what. Since not everyone is a history nut, and can spot the difference between a Yabari, and Mogami. So I think one size for Destroyers, one for cruisers, and finally 'capitals' will help give a little tactical intelligence their captains would posses, even if it's a first time player at a con. mpc2163: Sorry I missed your comment about being in my area. My local store is Endgame in Oakland, and we have another in Freemont when Endgame is choked with Warmachine / 40k young'ins. bubbacleese: PM sent for bases, I'll give your stuff a shot, as the custom cut offer is too hard to pass up, it's nice to support a fellow hobbyist, and not doing it myself will give me moar time to paint my new naval force of extreme dominance. Muahahahahahah |
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Post by bubbacleese on Feb 29, 2012 11:14:05 GMT -5
I have replied to your PM about the bases.
Naval Extreme Dominance!!!
Sounds like a gauntlet being thrown down to me. However, my ships are of the Wooden type and are only throwing solid shot, so I may need help from some of you more modern naval guys against this new global threat that has popped up. ;D
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Post by ckosacranoid on Feb 29, 2012 19:39:46 GMT -5
(rolls out the fleet from uncharted seas...ironclads, sailing ships, dragons.....distopian wars with some carriers and robots......civil war era ships.....4 fleets still in dry dock for the dreadnaught era.....rough count meybe 300 ships i think?)
will that help from 600 to 1200 to 1000 scale? many many guns to help out.....did we add that we have some air cover also...
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Post by shellback on Mar 2, 2012 20:06:10 GMT -5
300 ships? Sounds to me like a target rich environment As for the air cover.. hrmm.. Something tells me the few Arado Ar 196, and Supermarine Walrus scouts may not be enough. Looks like my next GHQ order will have to include some carriers. Now if I can just hold out until the HMS Glorious, and HMS Hermes arrive on station. As to my current force the Bismarck has entered the yard, and work has begun on getting her ready for sea. I'm still trying to decide if I should go with her trademark Baltic camo pattern, or the more accurate look she wore when she sailed for Operation Rheinubung. As Bismarck get's closer to completion, I'll post pictures in the modeling section. |
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Post by ckosacranoid on Mar 3, 2012 22:51:08 GMT -5
did i say that this incunded something along the lines of 7 carriers also in this....one of them an airship carrier...and one can launch bombers from it...
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Post by shellback on Mar 4, 2012 15:29:42 GMT -5
So something like...   |
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Post by bubbacleese on Mar 5, 2012 14:47:32 GMT -5
Target rich environment!!! ;D I very much appreciate the help ckosacranoid, sounds like you are hip deep in boats! That a good thing! Did they really call an airplane "Walrus", just does not seem inspiring at all. "Let's go get into our great big fat pig in the sky and out maneuver our foes!"  |
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